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Kirsten L. Held's avatar

Oh I loved the way you did this!! Thank you so much.

John P MD's avatar

Such a painful case for the family and I'm sure for all Sam's caregivers. Like Dr. Gordon, I would have liked to know an oxygen saturation; I can't believe one wasn't done at some point, assume it was just not mentioned in the article. As Dr. Faust notes, vital signs are a big red flag; the pulse rate on the second visit is disproportionate to the fever, and it would again have been useful to know what his pulse and temp were after hydration. I'd also like to know how many white cells were in the urine. Agree with Dr. Faust that the time course to deterioration after the second visit would be very unusual for sepsis. And similarly to pneumonia, I think PE would have been found on autopsy. One reference to post covid inflammatory syndrome:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784427

I'm an ED doc whose 35 y.o. son was sent home from an ED in 2020 after presenting with severe L shoulder pain several days into an illness with GI sx (nausea, diarrhea). He was afebrile with a pulse of 126 on presentation and was discharged with a pulse of 115 after a liter of LR with a dx of viral syndrome (O2 sat nl) I brought him back to ED when he called me at 2 am with shoulder pain that was keeping him awake. Long story short, abnormal ECG, elevated troponin, fortunately relatively normal cardiac cath. Dx'd with myocarditis, and developed cough, fever, lower lobe pulmonary infiltrates on CT while admitted but did well. All cultures negative, influenza negative, Covid PCR was negative but serology was never done. I still think it might have been covid but fortunately he did well with no sequelae. Pay attention to those vital signs!

Very nice job on the discussion, enjoyed the format. And yes, that 2022 AHRQ study on ED diagnostic errors was NOT good science.

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